Репост. Бо важливо.

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Diana Makarova · Я нарешті зрозуміла.
AUG. 20TH, 2023 08:49 AM
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Все було так просто і відповідь лежала на поверхні, я її просто не шукала. Тепер нарешті зрозуміла. Зараз обов'язково запишу і далі піду спати. Бо забуду ж
Я ж думала, ну що мене гризе? Дев'ять років, скоро десять, гризе й гризе. Щось розбивало мою цілісність, руйнувало мене. Примушувало з тугою обертатись назад, за чимось жалкувати.
А от що.
Я ж коли прибігла на Майдан, то думала, все ж тимчасово. "Вибачте за тимчасові незручності, ремонтуємо країну" - був напис на барикаді.
Ну, переможемо, та ні, навряд, швидше програємо, адже що там нас, жменька, а проти нас система. Думала і все ж боролась до останнього.
О, перемогли.
Потім я думала - ну, ми швиденько звільнимо Крим. Ах ні. Ну, ладно, звільнимо спочатку Слов'янськ, потім Луганськ.
Потім Донецьк.
Потім Дебальцеве...
Та ну ладно.
Ну, колись же я повернусь до нормального довоєнного життя! Все ж тимчасово. Нічого, ми потерпимо і ще трішечки попрацюємо до скону.
Ми жили серед волонтерських складів і на фронті. Нічого, ми себе втішали. Це тимчасово.
Потім експансія. Звичайно, це було тимчасово. Ми гасали країною й фронтами, ми жили в машині. Нічого, це все тимчасово. Ось переможемо і все повернеться. Все буде як раніше...
Сьогодні, чомусь після чернігівського обстрілу, можливо, він впав останньою краплею - я раптом зрозуміла.
Немає тимчасового.
Це все і є твоє життя. Воно таке. Це не ти увійшла в двері тимчасової кімнати, ні. Просто твоє життя одного разу змінилось. Між іншим, назавжди.
Нічого не повернеться.
Навіть коли ми переможемо - нічого вже не повернеться. Більш того, коли ми переможемо - війна не скінчиться. Принаймні для тих, хто давно на цій війні. Тому забудь про тимчасове.
Це все.
Твоє.
Життя.
Таке як є. Не гірше, ніж в тієї, ким ти була, аж доки не ступила на Майдан. А навіть краще.
І стало мені добре.
І подумала я - що ж, здрастуй, цілісність. Нарешті ти прийшла.
Немає тимчасового, народ, заволала я радісно. Наші життя змінились.
Назавжди.
Ну, таке життя. На грані смерті геть у всих. Не життя, а казна що. Сама боротьба. Але коли вважати це тимчасовим - це слабкість. Ти розслабляєшся, поринувши у мрії, що все буде як раніше. Ти думаєш - О, давно не було обстрілів. А давайте робити вигляд, що ми повернулись до минулого довоєнного життя, а давайте!
а не давайте...
Не допускайте тимчасової слабкості. Мрій, що ця війна - щось тимчасове. Ні.
Це тепер наше життя.
Надовго.
Для таких старих як я, можливо, назавжди.
Для вас просто надовго.
Так надовго, що треба забути слово - тимчасово.
І коли ви це зрозумієте - прийде цілісність і прийде сила.
Амінь, йопта.

Comments

[tiresome_cat]

Ну, так. Те життя, до війни, мирне - в нас вкрала рашка. За це я її теж ненавиджу.

[skysnail]

Все так.

[tijd]

Viktor Frankl on survival and the meaning of life:

The death rate in the week between Christmas, 1944, and New Year's, 1945, increased in camp beyond all previous experience. In his opinion, the explanation for this increase did not lie in the harder working conditions or the deterioration of our food supplies or a change of weather or new epidemics. It was simply that the majority of the prisoners had lived in the naive hope that they would be home again by Christmas. As the time drew nearr and there was no encouraging news, the prisoners lost courage and disappointment overcame them. This had a dangerous influence on their powers of resistance and a great number of them died.
As we said before, any attempt to restore a man's inner strength in the camp had first to succeed in showing him some future goal. Nietzsche's words, "He who has a why to live for can bear with almost any how," could be the guiding motto for all psychotherapeutic and psychohygienic efforts regarding prisoners. Whenever there was an opportunity for it. one had to give them a why - an aim - for their lives, in order to strengthen them to bear the terrible how of their existence. Woe to him who saw no more sense in his life, no aim, no purpose, and therefore no point in carrying on. He was soon lost. The typical reply with which such a man rejected all encouraging arguments was, "I have nothing to expect from life any more." What sort of answer can one give to that?
What was really needed was a fundamental change in our attitude toward life. We had to learn ourselves and, furthermore, we had to teach the despairing men, that it did not really matter what we expected from life, but rather what life expected from us. We needed to stop asking about the meaning of life, and instead to think of ourselves as those who were being questioned by life— daily and hourly. Our answer must consist, not in talk and meditation, but in right action and in right conduct. Life ultimately means taking the responsibility to find the right answer to its problems and to fulfill the tasks which it constantly sets for each individual.

Альзо шпрахе Заратуштра, я я!

[xobbit]

Ну не хочуть 73% українчиків брати на себе відповідальність, а хочуть жити як москалі - аби цар усе забезпечував :(
Добре що хоч до кращих за 10 років дійшло.
Треба Ніцше у 5 класі вивчати напам'ять, якщо вже Біблія та Кобзар не доходять? Згадаймо наприклад учорашню поведінку Марії Берлінської...

[biber551]

"Auschwitz survivor" testimony
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In The Missing Pieces of the Puzzle: A Reflection on the Odd Career of Viktor Frankl, Professor of history Timothy Pytell of California State University, San Bernardino,[29] conveys the numerous discrepancies and omissions in Frankl's "Auschwitz survivor" account and later autobiography, which many of his contemporaries, such as Thomas Szasz, similarly have raised.[30] In Frankl's Man's Search for Meaning, the book devotes approximately half of its contents to describing Auschwitz and the psychology of its prisoners, suggesting a long stay at the death camp, however his wording is contradictory and according to Pytell, "profoundly deceptive", when rather the impression of staying for months, Frankl was held close to the train, in the "depot prisoner" area of Auschwitz and for no more than a few days, he was neither registered there, nor assigned a number before being sent on to a subsidiary work camp of Dachau, known as Kaufering III, that together with Terezín, is the true setting of much of what is described in his book.[31][32][33]

Origins and implications of logotherapy
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Frankl's doctrine was that one must instill meaning in the events in one's life, and that work and suffering can lead to finding meaning, with this ultimately what would lead to fulfillment and happiness. In 1982 the scholar and holocaust analyst Lawrence L. Langer, who while also critical of what he called Frankl's distortions on the true experience of those at Auschwitz,[34] and Frankl's amoral focus on "meaning", that in Langer's assessment could just as equally be applied to Nazis "finding meaning in making the world free from Jews",[35] would go on to write "if this [logotherapy] doctrine had been more succinctly worded, the Nazis might have substituted it for the cruel mockery of Arbeit Macht Frei"["work sets free", read by those entering Auschwitz].[36] With, in professor Pytell's view, Langer also penetrating through Frankl's disturbed subtext that Holocaust "survival [was] a matter of mental health." With Langer criticizing Frankl's tone as almost self-congratulatory and promotional throughout, that "it comes as no surprise to the reader, as he closes the volume, that the real hero of Man's Search for Meaning is not man, but Viktor Frankl" by the continuation of the same fantasy of world-view meaning-making, which is precisely what had perturbed civilization into the holocaust-genocide of this era and others.[37]

Pytell later would remark on the particularly sharp insight of Langer's reading of Frankl's holocaust testimony, stating that with Langer's criticism published in 1982 before Pytell's biography, the former had thus drawn the controversial parallels, or accommodations in ideology without the knowledge that Victor Frankl was an advocate/"embraced"[38] the key ideas of the Nazi psychotherapy movement ("will and responsibility"[39]) as a form of therapy in the late 1930s. When at that time Frankl would submit a paper and contributed to the Göring institute in Vienna 1937 and again in early 1938 connecting the logotherapy focus on "world-view" to the "work of some of the leading Nazi psychotherapists",[40] both at a time before Austria was annexed by Nazi Germany in 1938.[41][42] Frankl's founding logotherapy paper, was submitted to and published in the Zentrallblatt fuer Psychotherapie [sic] the journal of the Goering Institute, a psychotherapy movement, with the "proclaimed agenda of building psychotherapy that affirmed a Nazi-oriented worldview".[43]

The origins of logotherapy, as described by Frankl, were therefore a major issue of continuity that Biographer Pytell argues were potentially problematic for Frankl because he had laid out the main elements of logotherapy while working for/contributing to the Nazi-affiliated Göring Institute. Principally Frankl's 1937 paper, that was published by the institute.[42] This association, as a source of controversy, that logotherapy was palatable to Nazism is the reason Pytell suggests, Frankl took two different stances on how the concentration-camp experience affected the course of his psychotherapy theory. Namely, that within the original English edition of Frankl's most well known book, Man's Search for Meaning, the suggestion is made and still largely held that logotherapy was itself derived from his camp experience, with the claim as it appears in the original edition, that this form of psychotherapy was "not concocted in the philosopher's armchair nor at the analyst's couch; it took shape in the hard school of air-raid shelters and bomb craters; in concentration camps and prisoner of war camps." Frankl's statements however to this effect would be deleted from later editions, though in the 1963 edition, a similar statement again appeared on the back of the book jacket of Man's Search for Meaning.

Frankl over the years would with these widely read statements and others, switch between the idea that logotherapy took shape in the camps to the claim that the camps merely were a testing ground of his already preconceived theories. An uncovering of the matter would occur in 1977 with Frankl revealing on this controversy, though compounding another, stating "People think I came out of Auschwitz with a brand-new psychotherapy. This is not the case."[44]

Jewish relations and experiments on the resistance
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In the post war years, Frankl's attitude towards not pursuing justice nor assigning collective guilt to the Austrian people for collaborating with or acquiescing in the face of Nazism, led to "frayed" relationships between Frankl, many Viennese and the larger American Jewish community, such that in 1978 when attempting to give a lecture at the institute of Adult Jewish Studies in New York, Frankl was confronted with an outburst of boos from the audience and was called a "nazi pig". Frankl supported forgiveness and held that many in Germany and Austria were powerless to do anything about the atrocities which occurred and could not be collectively blamed.[45][46][47]

In 1988 Frankl would further "stir up sentiment against him" by being photographed next to and in accepting the Great Silver Medal with Star for Services to the Republic of Austria as a Holocaust survivor, from President Waldheim, a controversial president of Austria who concurrent with the medal ceremony, was gripped by revelations that he had lied about his WWII military record and was under investigation for complicity in Nazi War crimes. It was later concluded that he was not involved in war crimes but had knowledge of them. Frankl's acceptance of the medal was viewed by many in the international Jewish community as a betrayal.[47]

In his "Gutachten" Gestapo profile, Frankl is described as "politically perfect" by the Nazi secret police, with Frankl's membership in the Austro-fascist "Fatherland Front" in 1934, similarly stated in isolation. It has been suggested that as a state employee in a hospital he was likely automatically signed up to the party regardless of whether he wanted to or not. Frankl was interviewed twice by the secret police during the war, yet nothing of the expected contents, the subject of discussion or any further information on these interviews, is contained in Frankl's file, suggesting to biographers that Frankl's file was "cleansed" sometime after the war.[48][49]

None of Frankl's obituaries mention the unqualified and unskilled brain lobotomy and trepanation medical experiments approved by the Nazis that Frankl performed on Jews who had committed suicide with an overdose of sedatives, in resistance to their impending arrest, imprisonment and enforced labour in the concentration camp system. The goal of these experiments were to try and revive those who had killed themselves, Frankl justified this by saying that he was trying to find ways to save the lives of Jews. Operating without any training as a surgeon, Frankl would voluntarily request of the Nazis to perform the experiments on those who had killed themselves, and once approved - published some of the details on his experiments, the methods of insertion of his chosen amphetamine drugs into the brains of these individuals, resulting in, at times, an alleged partial resuscitation, mainly in 1942 (prior to his own internment at Theresienstadt ghetto in September, later in that year). Historian Günter Bischof of Harvard University, suggests Frankl's approaching and requesting to perform lobotomy experiments could be seen as a way to "ingratiate" himself amongst the Nazis, as the latter were not, at that time, appreciative of the international scrutiny that these suicides were beginning to create, nor "suicide" being listed on arrest records.[50]

Re: Альзо шпрахе Заратуштра, я я!

[biber551]

Знаєте, в мене зовсім інше враження від українців, і ще я дуже не люблю коли хтось кацапскі принизливі прозвища використовує. Ці "українчики" вже півтора року, а по сумі ще з 2013 року обламує всі плани Імперії і піздить її аж гай шумить

чи вам не подобається Притула?

[xobbit]

Мене теж вже нудить від наших клоунів, проте зараз не на часі. Слава Україні!

[tijd]

I will not argue, but it is interesting to note how Frankl's refusal to accept perpetual victimhood causes a particular kind of hatred.

It is psychologically gratifying to think of yourself as an innocent victim, but, as Frankl points out (and as thousands of years of Jewish history show), an attitude like that doesn't help you survive and win.

[biber551]

Франкл краснобай і баламут, який не сидів в Аушвіце, був і залишився сторонником ідей нацизму і мав звинувачення в участі в їх злочинах. Тому і грош ціна його теоріям.

[tijd]

Frankl’s parents, his wife, and his best friend were murdered by the Nazis.

Viktor and Tilly, and shortly later his 65 year old mother, are transported to the Auschwitz-Birkenau concentration camp. His mother is immediately murdered in the gas chamber, and Tilly is moved to the Bergen-Belsen camp. After a few days Frankl is selected for transfer to a labor camp. He is brought to Kaufering and later Tuerkheim, subsidiary camps of Dachau in Bavaria.
https://www.viktorfrankl.org/biography.html

In a letter written after the war, Frankl describes how searching for meaning helped him overcome the unbearable suffering.

"I have only sad news to communicate: shortly before my departure from Munich, I learned that my mother was sent to Auschwitz a week after me. What that means, you know all too well. And I had scarcely arrived in Vienna when I was told that my wife is also dead. She was sent from Auschwitz to work in the trenches at Trachtenberg in Breslau, and then on to the infamous concentration camp of Bergen-Belsen. There, the women endured “terrible, indescribable suffering,” as it was put in a letter from a former colleague of Tilly’s, in which Tilly’s name is listed as one of those who died of typhus (the letter comes from the only survivor of the former hospital nurses, such as they were, in Bergen-Belsen). I have had the “indescribable” depicted to me by a survivor of Bergen-Belsen. I cannot repeat it.
So now I’m all alone. Whoever has not shared a similar fate cannot understand me. I am terribly tired, terribly sad, terribly lonely. I have nothing more to hope for and nothing more to fear. I have no pleasure in life, only duties, and I live out of conscience. . . . And so I have re-established myself, and now I’m re-dictating my manuscript, both for publication and for my own rehabilitation. A couple of well-placed old friends have taken on my cause in the most touching way. But no success can make me happy, everything is weightless, void, vain in my eyes, I feel distant from everything. It all says nothing to me, means nothing. The best have not returned (also, my best friend [Hubert Gsur] was beheaded) and they have left me alone. In the camp, we believed that we had reached the lowest point—and then, when we returned, we saw that nothing has survived, that that which had kept us standing has been destroyed, that at the same time as we were becoming human again it was possible to fall deeper, into an even more boundless suffering. <…>
But I now see things in a larger dimension. I see increasingly that life is so very meaningful, that in suffering and even in failure there must still be meaning. And my only consolation lies in the fact that I can say in all good conscience, that I realized the opportunities that presented themselves to me, I mean to say: that I turned them into reality. This is the case with respect to my short marriage to Tilly. What we have experienced cannot be undone, it has been, but this Having-been is perhaps the most certain form of being."
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/viktor-e-frankl_n_6061390

But haters gonna hate…

[zuka]

це жахливо. Не знаю, як вона з цього бере цілісність і силу.

[juan_gandhi]

❤️

[biber551]

Ви не зрозуміли про що я кажу. Франкл науковець. Як би він був літератором, то це було б пофіг, але він науковець. І він збрехав. Він не був в Аушвіці, точніше два-три дні на сортировці, він був в робочому таборі в Дахау де у в'язнів були гроші, вихід в місто в вільний час і вихідні дні. Його теорія написана до ув'язнень і має підгрунтя нацистську ідею про первинність волі і духу. Він збрехав, для науковця це печать про неадекватність. І все. І хейт тут нідо чого.

[tijd]

Frankl is more a philosopher than a scientist. His philosophy is not for everyone, but diminishing his Holocaust experience in different camps doesn't cancel it.

[biber551]

Вибачте, але ні. Його концепція була сформульована в 1937 році під впливом нацистських ідей. А "досвід таборів" він коньюнктурно підтягнув під готову концепцію. Що і доводить її штучність і неприродність. Там наслідки і причини перемішані і підбиті під готову схему.